Discussion:
The Nation's Worst Drivers
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N***@aol.com
2005-05-28 02:58:52 UTC
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When faced with a written test, similar to ones given to beginning
drivers applying for licenses, one in ten drivers couldn't get a
passing score, according to a study commissioned by GMAC Insurance.

The GMAC Insurance National Driver's Test found that nearly 20 million
Americans, or about 1 in 10 drivers, would fail a state driver's test
if they had to take one today. GMAC Insurance is part of General
Motors' finance subsidiary, GMAC.

More than 5,000 licensed drivers between the ages of 16 and 65 were
administered a 20-question written test designed to measure basic
knowledge about traffic laws and safety. They were also surveyed about
their general driving habits.

Drivers in the Northeast and mid-Atlantic states did worst. Twenty
percent of test-takers failed there.

The state of Rhode Island leads the nation in driver cluelessness,
according to the survey. The average test score there was 77, just
eight points above a failing grade.

Those in neighboring Massachusetts were second worst and New Jersey,
third worst.

Northwestern states had the most knowledgeable drivers. In those
states, just one to three percent failed the test. Oregon and
Washington drivers knew the rules of the road best. In Oregon, the
average test score was 89.

According to the study, many drivers find basic practices, such as
merging and interpreting road signs, difficult.

For instance, one out of five drivers doesn't know that a pedestrian in
a crosswalk has the right of way, and one out of three drivers speeds
up to make a yellow light, even when pedestrians are present, the study
said.

Drivers not only lack basic road knowledge, but exhibit dangerous
driving behavior as well.

"As a nation of drivers, we've made little progress in the past 10
years to curb some of the most dangerous driving behaviors, including
drinking and driving and speeding," said Susan Ferguson, senior vice
president of research at the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.

One out of 10 drivers regularly exceeds the speed limit by 11 or more
miles per hour, with drivers aged between 18 and 24 years showing the
greatest propensity for speeding, the study said.

Speeding increases both the likelihood of an accident and the severity
of the crash, the company added, citing research from IIHS.

Younger drivers are the most likely to fail a written driving test
while those between the ages of 50 and 64 are the most likely to pass.

These are the average scores on a 20-question driver's test
administered to more than 5,000 licensed drivers in a survey
commissioned by the GMAC Insurance.

Nation -- 82.7

1. Oregon -- 89.4

2. Washington -- 88.4

3. Iowa -- 87.7

4. Idaho -- 87.5

5. Wyoming -- 87.4

6. Vermont -- 86.6

7. Nebraska -- 86.5

8. Wisconsin -- 86.3

9. Montana -- 86.2

10. West Virginia -- 86.2

11. Minnesota -- 86.1

12. North Dakota -- 85.6

13. North Carolina -- 85.2

14. Indiana -- 85.1

15. Alabama -- 84.7

15. Virginia -- 84.7

15. Nevada -- 84.7

16 Missouri -- 84.7

19. Ohio -- 84.3

19. South Dakota -- 84.3

21. Colorado -- 84.2

22. Kansas -- 84.0

23. Michigan -- 83.8

24. New Hampshire -- 83.7

25. Tennessee -- 83.4

26. Maine -- 83.2

27. Arkansas -- 83.1

27. South Carolina -- 83.1

29. Georgia -- 82.9

29. New Mexico -- 82.9

31. Oklahoma -- 82.8

32. Texas -- 82.7

33. Utah -- 82.6

33. Arizona -- 82.6

35. Mississippi -- 82.5

35. Delaware -- 82.5

35. Kentucky -- 82.5

38. Pennsylvania -- 82.1

39. Louisiana -- 81.7

40. Illinois -- 81.6

41. Florida -- 81.1

42. Connecticut -- 80.9

43. California -- 80.4

44. Maryland -- 79.8

44. Washington, D.C, -- 79.8

44. New York -- 79.8

47. New Jersey -- 78.3

48. Massachusetts -- 77.2

49. Rhode Island -- 77.0

Anyone agree with the rankings?

Patrick
'93 Cobra
flaming/"c/"" @yahoo.com
2005-05-28 03:11:44 UTC
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Post by N***@aol.com
When faced with a written test, similar to ones given to beginning
drivers applying for licenses, one in ten drivers couldn't get a
passing score, according to a study commissioned by GMAC Insurance.
The GMAC Insurance National Driver's Test found that nearly 20 million
Americans, or about 1 in 10 drivers, would fail a state driver's test
if they had to take one today. GMAC Insurance is part of General
Motors' finance subsidiary, GMAC.
More than 5,000 licensed drivers between the ages of 16 and 65 were
administered a 20-question written test designed to measure basic
knowledge about traffic laws and safety. They were also surveyed about
their general driving habits.
Drivers in the Northeast and mid-Atlantic states did worst. Twenty
percent of test-takers failed there.
The state of Rhode Island leads the nation in driver cluelessness,
according to the survey. The average test score there was 77, just
eight points above a failing grade.
Those in neighboring Massachusetts were second worst and New Jersey,
third worst.
Northwestern states had the most knowledgeable drivers. In those
states, just one to three percent failed the test. Oregon and
Washington drivers knew the rules of the road best. In Oregon, the
average test score was 89.
According to the study, many drivers find basic practices, such as
merging and interpreting road signs, difficult.
For instance, one out of five drivers doesn't know that a pedestrian in
a crosswalk has the right of way, and one out of three drivers speeds
up to make a yellow light, even when pedestrians are present, the study
said.
Drivers not only lack basic road knowledge, but exhibit dangerous
driving behavior as well.
"As a nation of drivers, we've made little progress in the past 10
years to curb some of the most dangerous driving behaviors, including
drinking and driving and speeding," said Susan Ferguson, senior vice
president of research at the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.
One out of 10 drivers regularly exceeds the speed limit by 11 or more
miles per hour, with drivers aged between 18 and 24 years showing the
greatest propensity for speeding, the study said.
Speeding increases both the likelihood of an accident and the severity
of the crash, the company added, citing research from IIHS.
Younger drivers are the most likely to fail a written driving test
while those between the ages of 50 and 64 are the most likely to pass.
These are the average scores on a 20-question driver's test
administered to more than 5,000 licensed drivers in a survey
commissioned by the GMAC Insurance.
Nation -- 82.7
1. Oregon -- 89.4
2. Washington -- 88.4
3. Iowa -- 87.7
4. Idaho -- 87.5
5. Wyoming -- 87.4
6. Vermont -- 86.6
7. Nebraska -- 86.5
8. Wisconsin -- 86.3
9. Montana -- 86.2
10. West Virginia -- 86.2
11. Minnesota -- 86.1
12. North Dakota -- 85.6
13. North Carolina -- 85.2
14. Indiana -- 85.1
15. Alabama -- 84.7
15. Virginia -- 84.7
15. Nevada -- 84.7
16 Missouri -- 84.7
19. Ohio -- 84.3
19. South Dakota -- 84.3
21. Colorado -- 84.2
22. Kansas -- 84.0
23. Michigan -- 83.8
24. New Hampshire -- 83.7
25. Tennessee -- 83.4
26. Maine -- 83.2
27. Arkansas -- 83.1
27. South Carolina -- 83.1
29. Georgia -- 82.9
29. New Mexico -- 82.9
31. Oklahoma -- 82.8
32. Texas -- 82.7
33. Utah -- 82.6
33. Arizona -- 82.6
35. Mississippi -- 82.5
35. Delaware -- 82.5
35. Kentucky -- 82.5
38. Pennsylvania -- 82.1
39. Louisiana -- 81.7
40. Illinois -- 81.6
41. Florida -- 81.1
42. Connecticut -- 80.9
43. California -- 80.4
44. Maryland -- 79.8
44. Washington, D.C, -- 79.8
44. New York -- 79.8
47. New Jersey -- 78.3
48. Massachusetts -- 77.2
49. Rhode Island -- 77.0
Anyone agree with the rankings?
Patrick
'93 Cobra
most yankees arent to smart

hurc ast
N***@aol.com
2005-05-29 02:18:33 UTC
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Post by flaming/"c/"" @yahoo.com
most yankees arent to smart
hurc ast
He can't find the shift key, doesn't use a parenthesis or a period and
used the wrong "to", yet he criticizes others for not being _too_
smart.

LMFAO!

hurc ast = an uneducated fat slob, with body odor, buck teeth, and a
bad haircut, who sits behind a computer picking his nose while trolling
newsgroups.

Patrick
'93 Cobra
Spike
2005-05-28 03:40:26 UTC
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What's to agree or disagree with? Were they all given the exact same
test? And did the rules they were tested on apply equally in every
state? Since the laws can vary considerably from state to state, some
of those tested may have been responding as if to a test from their
own state. This would throw off the results. If the test was based on
procedures which are the same in every state, then the results would
be closer to reality.
Post by N***@aol.com
When faced with a written test, similar to ones given to beginning
drivers applying for licenses, one in ten drivers couldn't get a
passing score, according to a study commissioned by GMAC Insurance.
The GMAC Insurance National Driver's Test found that nearly 20 million
Americans, or about 1 in 10 drivers, would fail a state driver's test
if they had to take one today. GMAC Insurance is part of General
Motors' finance subsidiary, GMAC.
More than 5,000 licensed drivers between the ages of 16 and 65 were
administered a 20-question written test designed to measure basic
knowledge about traffic laws and safety. They were also surveyed about
their general driving habits.
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Ashton Crusher
2005-05-28 05:39:12 UTC
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Post by Spike
What's to agree or disagree with? Were they all given the exact same
test? And did the rules they were tested on apply equally in every
state? Since the laws can vary considerably from state to state, some
of those tested may have been responding as if to a test from their
own state. This would throw off the results. If the test was based on
procedures which are the same in every state, then the results would
be closer to reality.
Without seeing the actual questions there's no way to really judge
this. Did they ask meaningful questions like "Should you move to the
right when it's clear to do so and let traffic approaching from behind
pass?" Or did they ask "Which is the correct answer to How far
should your horn be able to be heard, 100 feet, 200 feet, 250 feet, or
1000 feet?", which is really a pointless question as far as how good a
driver someone is.
Post by Spike
Post by N***@aol.com
When faced with a written test, similar to ones given to beginning
drivers applying for licenses, one in ten drivers couldn't get a
passing score, according to a study commissioned by GMAC Insurance.
The GMAC Insurance National Driver's Test found that nearly 20 million
Americans, or about 1 in 10 drivers, would fail a state driver's test
if they had to take one today. GMAC Insurance is part of General
Motors' finance subsidiary, GMAC.
More than 5,000 licensed drivers between the ages of 16 and 65 were
administered a 20-question written test designed to measure basic
knowledge about traffic laws and safety. They were also surveyed about
their general driving habits.
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flaming/"c/"" @yahoo.com
2005-05-28 06:42:28 UTC
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Post by Ashton Crusher
Post by Spike
What's to agree or disagree with? Were they all given the exact same
test? And did the rules they were tested on apply equally in every
state? Since the laws can vary considerably from state to state, some
of those tested may have been responding as if to a test from their
own state. This would throw off the results. If the test was based on
procedures which are the same in every state, then the results would
be closer to reality.
Without seeing the actual questions there's no way to really judge
this. Did they ask meaningful questions like "Should you move to the
right when it's clear to do so and let traffic approaching from behind
pass?" Or did they ask "Which is the correct answer to How far
should your horn be able to be heard, 100 feet, 200 feet, 250 feet, or
1000 feet?", which is really a pointless question as far as how good a
driver someone is.
a fan clutch in an electric fan
LMFAO

hurc ast
Spike
2005-05-28 19:07:44 UTC
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That's what I asked..... : )
Post by Ashton Crusher
Post by Spike
What's to agree or disagree with? Were they all given the exact same
test? And did the rules they were tested on apply equally in every
state? Since the laws can vary considerably from state to state, some
of those tested may have been responding as if to a test from their
own state. This would throw off the results. If the test was based on
procedures which are the same in every state, then the results would
be closer to reality.
Without seeing the actual questions there's no way to really judge
this. Did they ask meaningful questions like "Should you move to the
right when it's clear to do so and let traffic approaching from behind
pass?" Or did they ask "Which is the correct answer to How far
should your horn be able to be heard, 100 feet, 200 feet, 250 feet, or
1000 feet?", which is really a pointless question as far as how good a
driver someone is.
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Gill
2005-05-28 05:00:37 UTC
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Post by N***@aol.com
1. Oregon -- 89.4
2. Washington -- 88.4
3. Iowa -- 87.7
4. Idaho -- 87.5
5. Wyoming -- 87.4
6. Vermont -- 86.6
7. Nebraska -- 86.5
8. Wisconsin -- 86.3
9. Montana -- 86.2
10. West Virginia -- 86.2
11. Minnesota -- 86.1
12. North Dakota -- 85.6
13. North Carolina -- 85.2
14. Indiana -- 85.1
15. Alabama -- 84.7
15. Virginia -- 84.7
15. Nevada -- 84.7
16 Missouri -- 84.7
19. Ohio -- 84.3
19. South Dakota -- 84.3
21. Colorado -- 84.2
22. Kansas -- 84.0
23. Michigan -- 83.8
24. New Hampshire -- 83.7
25. Tennessee -- 83.4
26. Maine -- 83.2
27. Arkansas -- 83.1
27. South Carolina -- 83.1
29. Georgia -- 82.9
29. New Mexico -- 82.9
31. Oklahoma -- 82.8
32. Texas -- 82.7
33. Utah -- 82.6
33. Arizona -- 82.6
35. Mississippi -- 82.5
35. Delaware -- 82.5
35. Kentucky -- 82.5
38. Pennsylvania -- 82.1
39. Louisiana -- 81.7
40. Illinois -- 81.6
41. Florida -- 81.1
42. Connecticut -- 80.9
43. California -- 80.4
44. Maryland -- 79.8
44. Washington, D.C, -- 79.8
44. New York -- 79.8
47. New Jersey -- 78.3
48. Massachusetts -- 77.2
49. Rhode Island -- 77.0
Anyone agree with the rankings?
Patrick
'93 Cobra
I went from 43rd to #1! Give me the hard charger trophy :-)
Really though, Oregon drivers seem more



in a hurry to go nowhere. Two lane freeways, bumper to
bumper and people want to get around and in front of me for some
reason? Cali did have lots of gory wrecks. Six lanes both ways, millions
of people from around the world,(except California)look out!
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John C.
2005-05-28 12:09:30 UTC
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Post by N***@aol.com
48. Massachusetts -- 77.2
49. Rhode Island -- 77.0
Anyone agree with the rankings?
NO WAY!!

How can there possibly be drivers _anywhere_ with less of a clue than in MA?
Somebody obviously fudged the numbers.

There's a reason I prefer the _train_ into Boston. :(
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'03 Cobra Convt.
Spike
2005-05-28 19:08:54 UTC
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Maybe it was tourist season and they set up the question booth at a
roadside rest area near Cape Cod.
Post by John C.
Post by N***@aol.com
48. Massachusetts -- 77.2
49. Rhode Island -- 77.0
Anyone agree with the rankings?
NO WAY!!
How can there possibly be drivers _anywhere_ with less of a clue than in MA?
Somebody obviously fudged the numbers.
There's a reason I prefer the _train_ into Boston. :(
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GEB
2005-05-28 15:13:12 UTC
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Post by N***@aol.com
Anyone agree with the rankings?
Patrick
'93 Cobra
We need to remember that this test was given by GMAC Insurance to (more than
likely) Chevy owners. I'd also like to know the ages of the people tested.
Especially the ones that failed. Personally, I can't see how a written test
about laws, can measure ones ability to drive. That's why they have a
written test and a driving test to get a license. I think they should ride
with a group of people from each state and grade them on their ability to
drive. Then I think the rankings would be fair. We need to also realize that
some people do bad on written tests, but fair better on an oral test.

If you want to witness some real BAD drivers, go to Miami, FLA!!! Down
there, they think the first one to an intersection, and blows their horn,
has the right a way! When I lived and worked down there, I seen a ton of
accidents where someone ran a red light and t-boned another car. The person
causing the accident would always say, "But I blew my horn first!" One time
I was sitting in the left turn lane, with my left turn signal on, and a kid
rear ended me, cause he was looking over at his passenger and talking to
him. At the very last second, he happened to look forward and see me, and
slammed on the brakes! Thank GOD the speed limit was only 35!!!

Gary
Spike
2005-05-28 19:10:47 UTC
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Some shows like 60 Minutes have done that with teen drivers. Scary!
But, when you think that most of us were teen drivers and survived...
no so scary.
Post by GEB
Post by N***@aol.com
Anyone agree with the rankings?
Patrick
'93 Cobra
We need to remember that this test was given by GMAC Insurance to (more than
likely) Chevy owners. I'd also like to know the ages of the people tested.
Especially the ones that failed. Personally, I can't see how a written test
about laws, can measure ones ability to drive. That's why they have a
written test and a driving test to get a license. I think they should ride
with a group of people from each state and grade them on their ability to
drive. Then I think the rankings would be fair. We need to also realize that
some people do bad on written tests, but fair better on an oral test.
If you want to witness some real BAD drivers, go to Miami, FLA!!! Down
there, they think the first one to an intersection, and blows their horn,
has the right a way! When I lived and worked down there, I seen a ton of
accidents where someone ran a red light and t-boned another car. The person
causing the accident would always say, "But I blew my horn first!" One time
I was sitting in the left turn lane, with my left turn signal on, and a kid
rear ended me, cause he was looking over at his passenger and talking to
him. At the very last second, he happened to look forward and see me, and
slammed on the brakes! Thank GOD the speed limit was only 35!!!
Gary
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ZombyWoof
2005-05-28 15:41:52 UTC
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On 27 May 2005 19:58:52 -0700, ***@aol.com wrote something
wonderfully witty:
<snip>
Post by N***@aol.com
Anyone agree with the rankings?
Well I don't have any reason to believe that the people conducting the
testing or the rankings had any reason to lie, but a written test is
really no indicator what so ever in how good of a driver someone is or
is not. Just because they may know all the rules of the road doesn't
mean they actually follow them.

Now if they took that data and combined it with the number of
citations issues, accidents involved in and total dollar of damages
and produced a rank order listing I would have a little more faith in
the numbers. Otherwise it is just an exercise in how well people do
on a certain test. Proves nothing.

For example NJ, my home state, rank last. Virginia the state I
currently live in ranked 14th. Based on my own personal experiences
of driving in both places the Virginia drivers are the absolute worst
especially in the area of tailgating. Now the drivers in NJ do exceed
the posted limit the large majority of the time, but I would rather be
passed by a speeder then rammed by a woman on a cell phone (which just
recently happened in Virginia).
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N***@aol.com
2005-05-29 01:59:52 UTC
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Post by ZombyWoof
For example NJ, my home state, rank last. Virginia the state I
currently live in ranked 14th. Based on my own personal experiences
of driving in both places the Virginia drivers are the absolute worst
especially in the area of tailgating.
I also used to live in VA and agree 100%!!! The vast majority of VA
drivers suck! From tailgating, to hordes of left-lane lane bandits, to
stopping at the end of on-ramps, to rubber-necking slow downs, to lack
of blinker use, to you name it. In fact, while traveling I could tell
how close I was getting to the VA border by how bad the drivers were
getting... I didn't even need a map.

Yep, VA has the worst drivers I've have ever encountered, bar none.

Patrick
'93 Cobra
Michael Johnson, PE
2005-05-29 02:15:55 UTC
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Post by N***@aol.com
Post by ZombyWoof
For example NJ, my home state, rank last. Virginia the state I
currently live in ranked 14th. Based on my own personal experiences
of driving in both places the Virginia drivers are the absolute worst
especially in the area of tailgating.
I also used to live in VA and agree 100%!!! The vast majority of VA
drivers suck! From tailgating, to hordes of left-lane lane bandits, to
stopping at the end of on-ramps, to rubber-necking slow downs, to lack
of blinker use, to you name it. In fact, while traveling I could tell
how close I was getting to the VA border by how bad the drivers were
getting... I didn't even need a map.
Yep, VA has the worst drivers I've have ever encountered, bar none.
Keep in mind that most of those drivers, especially in the Northern
Virginia area, are from other states or countries. ;)
Joe
2005-05-29 22:04:52 UTC
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Post by Michael Johnson, PE
Post by N***@aol.com
Post by ZombyWoof
For example NJ, my home state, rank last. Virginia the state I
currently live in ranked 14th. Based on my own personal
experiences of driving in both places the Virginia drivers are the
absolute worst especially in the area of tailgating.
I also used to live in VA and agree 100%!!! The vast majority of
VA drivers suck! From tailgating, to hordes of left-lane lane
bandits, to stopping at the end of on-ramps, to rubber-necking slow
downs, to lack of blinker use, to you name it. In fact, while
traveling I could tell how close I was getting to the VA border by
how bad the drivers were getting... I didn't even need a map.
Yep, VA has the worst drivers I've have ever encountered, bar none.
Keep in mind that most of those drivers, especially in the Northern
Virginia area, are from other states or countries. ;)
I think that everybody pretty much thinks the drivers in their own
state are the worst. What this _really_ says is that U.S. drivers in
general are horrible.
Michael Johnson, PE
2005-05-29 23:30:54 UTC
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Post by Joe
Post by Michael Johnson, PE
Post by N***@aol.com
Post by ZombyWoof
For example NJ, my home state, rank last. Virginia the state I
currently live in ranked 14th. Based on my own personal
experiences of driving in both places the Virginia drivers are the
absolute worst especially in the area of tailgating.
I also used to live in VA and agree 100%!!! The vast majority of
VA drivers suck! From tailgating, to hordes of left-lane lane
bandits, to stopping at the end of on-ramps, to rubber-necking slow
downs, to lack of blinker use, to you name it. In fact, while
traveling I could tell how close I was getting to the VA border by
how bad the drivers were getting... I didn't even need a map.
Yep, VA has the worst drivers I've have ever encountered, bar none.
Keep in mind that most of those drivers, especially in the Northern
Virginia area, are from other states or countries. ;)
I think that everybody pretty much thinks the drivers in their own
state are the worst. What this _really_ says is that U.S. drivers in
general are horrible.
Exactly. I can count the number of people I know in Northern Virginia
that was born and raised here on two hands. I bet 75% of us are
transplants that brought the traffic mess with us. It's probably the
same in many other areas.
Spike
2005-05-30 02:45:19 UTC
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It's the case here. This used to rural. Then some magazine aid that
this was the place to live because of the fresh air, medical, and all
the rest of the pluses, including no gangs, no traffic problems, etc.
BOOM! People flocked here to get their families out of the mess in the
LA basin, and SF Bay Area. In a very short time we went from about
36,000 to about 100,000. And those people brought with the their ways.
They left the cities for the forests, lakes, rivers, clean air, etc.
And just as many marriages go, after the ceremony, they tried to
change it into what they left behind. They wanted big city shopping,
malls, traffic lights, the works. Now we have gang graffiti, traffic
tie ups, smog warnings, etc. And they didn't adapt their driving to
the rural way, they continue to drive as they did in the major metro
areas. Unfortunately, what works in the big city doesn't work in the
country. So the accident rate climbs. The running the stoplights and
pushing the yellows is rampant. Now we have intersection camera and
traffic lights. And the freeway under pass which was two lanes, was
widened to 3 by narrowing the lanes. I guess it's fairly common, but
it's sad that something very good has to be destroyed in the search
for something better.

On Sun, 29 May 2005 19:30:54 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
Post by Michael Johnson, PE
Exactly. I can count the number of people I know in Northern Virginia
that was born and raised here on two hands. I bet 75% of us are
transplants that brought the traffic mess with us. It's probably the
same in many other areas.
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ZombyWoof
2005-05-30 15:53:44 UTC
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On Sun, 29 May 2005 19:30:54 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
<***@ourhouse.com> wrote something wonderfully witty:
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Post by Michael Johnson, PE
Post by Joe
I think that everybody pretty much thinks the drivers in their own
state are the worst. What this _really_ says is that U.S. drivers in
general are horrible.
Exactly. I can count the number of people I know in Northern Virginia
that was born and raised here on two hands. I bet 75% of us are
transplants that brought the traffic mess with us. It's probably the
same in many other areas.
Well I am in the Hampton Roads area and with the extremely large
Military presence here that is definitely part of it. Still sucks.
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The Marquis de Sade
Michael Johnson, PE
2005-05-30 16:23:49 UTC
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Post by Spike
On Sun, 29 May 2005 19:30:54 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
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Post by Michael Johnson, PE
Post by Joe
I think that everybody pretty much thinks the drivers in their own
state are the worst. What this _really_ says is that U.S. drivers in
general are horrible.
Exactly. I can count the number of people I know in Northern Virginia
that was born and raised here on two hands. I bet 75% of us are
transplants that brought the traffic mess with us. It's probably the
same in many other areas.
Well I am in the Hampton Roads area and with the extremely large
Military presence here that is definitely part of it. Still sucks.
I find it ironic how people who moved here will complain about traffic
as if it is not their fault. When I point out that traffic is bad
because of people just like them they either can't see the point or do
get it and stop complaining as much. It doesn't matter if you moved
here yesterday or 20 years ago, you're still part of the reason traffic
is horrible. It's amazing how many people think THEY have a right to
move anywhere THEY please but once they're there they have the right to
tell others to go elsewhere. Such is human nature, I guess.
Joe
2005-05-30 18:16:54 UTC
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Post by Michael Johnson, PE
Post by Spike
On Sun, 29 May 2005 19:30:54 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
<snip>
Post by Michael Johnson, PE
Post by Joe
I think that everybody pretty much thinks the drivers in their own
state are the worst. What this _really_ says is that U.S. drivers
in general are horrible.
Exactly. I can count the number of people I know in Northern
Virginia that was born and raised here on two hands. I bet 75% of
us are transplants that brought the traffic mess with us. It's
probably the same in many other areas.
Well I am in the Hampton Roads area and with the extremely large
Military presence here that is definitely part of it. Still sucks.
I find it ironic how people who moved here will complain about
traffic as if it is not their fault. When I point out that traffic
is bad because of people just like them they either can't see the
point or do get it and stop complaining as much. It doesn't matter
if you moved here yesterday or 20 years ago, you're still part of
the reason traffic is horrible. It's amazing how many people think
THEY have a right to move anywhere THEY please but once they're
there they have the right to tell others to go elsewhere. Such is
human nature, I guess.
I'm in the transient capital of the U.S. (SoFla) and everything you
guys are saying is correct.
Spike
2005-05-30 20:20:33 UTC
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My family has been here since before there were cars. (My
grandmother's first ride in an auto was in a Stutz Bearcat back when
the wagon road was paved with logs.) From what I hear, traffic was bad
back then because the roads were one lane wide, mostly unpaved mud or
dirt ruts, and used by wagons, carriages, horseback riders, hand
carts, and, in time, the first cars. Heaven forbid you should meet
someone on one of the twisting mountain roads as they were then.
Somebody had to backup quite a ways.

On Mon, 30 May 2005 12:23:49 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
Post by Michael Johnson, PE
Post by Spike
On Sun, 29 May 2005 19:30:54 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
<snip>
Post by Michael Johnson, PE
Post by Joe
I think that everybody pretty much thinks the drivers in their own
state are the worst. What this _really_ says is that U.S. drivers in
general are horrible.
Exactly. I can count the number of people I know in Northern Virginia
that was born and raised here on two hands. I bet 75% of us are
transplants that brought the traffic mess with us. It's probably the
same in many other areas.
Well I am in the Hampton Roads area and with the extremely large
Military presence here that is definitely part of it. Still sucks.
I find it ironic how people who moved here will complain about traffic
as if it is not their fault. When I point out that traffic is bad
because of people just like them they either can't see the point or do
get it and stop complaining as much. It doesn't matter if you moved
here yesterday or 20 years ago, you're still part of the reason traffic
is horrible. It's amazing how many people think THEY have a right to
move anywhere THEY please but once they're there they have the right to
tell others to go elsewhere. Such is human nature, I guess.
Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16
Michael Johnson, PE
2005-05-30 21:57:03 UTC
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Then you have a right to complain.
Post by Spike
My family has been here since before there were cars. (My
grandmother's first ride in an auto was in a Stutz Bearcat back when
the wagon road was paved with logs.) From what I hear, traffic was bad
back then because the roads were one lane wide, mostly unpaved mud or
dirt ruts, and used by wagons, carriages, horseback riders, hand
carts, and, in time, the first cars. Heaven forbid you should meet
someone on one of the twisting mountain roads as they were then.
Somebody had to backup quite a ways.
On Mon, 30 May 2005 12:23:49 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
Post by Michael Johnson, PE
Post by Spike
On Sun, 29 May 2005 19:30:54 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
<snip>
Post by Michael Johnson, PE
Post by Joe
I think that everybody pretty much thinks the drivers in their own
state are the worst. What this _really_ says is that U.S. drivers in
general are horrible.
Exactly. I can count the number of people I know in Northern Virginia
that was born and raised here on two hands. I bet 75% of us are
transplants that brought the traffic mess with us. It's probably the
same in many other areas.
Well I am in the Hampton Roads area and with the extremely large
Military presence here that is definitely part of it. Still sucks.
I find it ironic how people who moved here will complain about traffic
as if it is not their fault. When I point out that traffic is bad
because of people just like them they either can't see the point or do
get it and stop complaining as much. It doesn't matter if you moved
here yesterday or 20 years ago, you're still part of the reason traffic
is horrible. It's amazing how many people think THEY have a right to
move anywhere THEY please but once they're there they have the right to
tell others to go elsewhere. Such is human nature, I guess.
Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16
Spike
2005-05-31 00:56:05 UTC
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I complain about it, but short of nuclear war bombing us back to the
stone age, you can't stop progress.... UNLESS there happens to be some
tiny little fish, or lizard, or bug, or bird, that someone thinks is
endangered....... then civilization comes to a complete stop.....

On Mon, 30 May 2005 17:57:03 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
Post by Michael Johnson, PE
Then you have a right to complain.
Post by Spike
My family has been here since before there were cars. (My
grandmother's first ride in an auto was in a Stutz Bearcat back when
the wagon road was paved with logs.) From what I hear, traffic was bad
back then because the roads were one lane wide, mostly unpaved mud or
dirt ruts, and used by wagons, carriages, horseback riders, hand
carts, and, in time, the first cars. Heaven forbid you should meet
someone on one of the twisting mountain roads as they were then.
Somebody had to backup quite a ways.
On Mon, 30 May 2005 12:23:49 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
Post by Michael Johnson, PE
Post by Spike
On Sun, 29 May 2005 19:30:54 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
<snip>
Post by Michael Johnson, PE
Post by Joe
I think that everybody pretty much thinks the drivers in their own
state are the worst. What this _really_ says is that U.S. drivers in
general are horrible.
Exactly. I can count the number of people I know in Northern Virginia
that was born and raised here on two hands. I bet 75% of us are
transplants that brought the traffic mess with us. It's probably the
same in many other areas.
Well I am in the Hampton Roads area and with the extremely large
Military presence here that is definitely part of it. Still sucks.
I find it ironic how people who moved here will complain about traffic
as if it is not their fault. When I point out that traffic is bad
because of people just like them they either can't see the point or do
get it and stop complaining as much. It doesn't matter if you moved
here yesterday or 20 years ago, you're still part of the reason traffic
is horrible. It's amazing how many people think THEY have a right to
move anywhere THEY please but once they're there they have the right to
tell others to go elsewhere. Such is human nature, I guess.
Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16
Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16

RichA
2005-05-28 22:04:52 UTC
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Maybe the blue staters should stay the hell off their cell phones
and leaning on their horns?
Post by N***@aol.com
When faced with a written test, similar to ones given to beginning
drivers applying for licenses, one in ten drivers couldn't get a
passing score, according to a study commissioned by GMAC Insurance.
The GMAC Insurance National Driver's Test found that nearly 20 million
Americans, or about 1 in 10 drivers, would fail a state driver's test
if they had to take one today. GMAC Insurance is part of General
Motors' finance subsidiary, GMAC.
More than 5,000 licensed drivers between the ages of 16 and 65 were
administered a 20-question written test designed to measure basic
knowledge about traffic laws and safety. They were also surveyed about
their general driving habits.
Drivers in the Northeast and mid-Atlantic states did worst. Twenty
percent of test-takers failed there.
The state of Rhode Island leads the nation in driver cluelessness,
according to the survey. The average test score there was 77, just
eight points above a failing grade.
Those in neighboring Massachusetts were second worst and New Jersey,
third worst.
Northwestern states had the most knowledgeable drivers. In those
states, just one to three percent failed the test. Oregon and
Washington drivers knew the rules of the road best. In Oregon, the
average test score was 89.
According to the study, many drivers find basic practices, such as
merging and interpreting road signs, difficult.
For instance, one out of five drivers doesn't know that a pedestrian in
a crosswalk has the right of way, and one out of three drivers speeds
up to make a yellow light, even when pedestrians are present, the study
said.
Drivers not only lack basic road knowledge, but exhibit dangerous
driving behavior as well.
"As a nation of drivers, we've made little progress in the past 10
years to curb some of the most dangerous driving behaviors, including
drinking and driving and speeding," said Susan Ferguson, senior vice
president of research at the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.
One out of 10 drivers regularly exceeds the speed limit by 11 or more
miles per hour, with drivers aged between 18 and 24 years showing the
greatest propensity for speeding, the study said.
Speeding increases both the likelihood of an accident and the severity
of the crash, the company added, citing research from IIHS.
Younger drivers are the most likely to fail a written driving test
while those between the ages of 50 and 64 are the most likely to pass.
These are the average scores on a 20-question driver's test
administered to more than 5,000 licensed drivers in a survey
commissioned by the GMAC Insurance.
Nation -- 82.7
1. Oregon -- 89.4
2. Washington -- 88.4
3. Iowa -- 87.7
4. Idaho -- 87.5
5. Wyoming -- 87.4
6. Vermont -- 86.6
7. Nebraska -- 86.5
8. Wisconsin -- 86.3
9. Montana -- 86.2
10. West Virginia -- 86.2
11. Minnesota -- 86.1
12. North Dakota -- 85.6
13. North Carolina -- 85.2
14. Indiana -- 85.1
15. Alabama -- 84.7
15. Virginia -- 84.7
15. Nevada -- 84.7
16 Missouri -- 84.7
19. Ohio -- 84.3
19. South Dakota -- 84.3
21. Colorado -- 84.2
22. Kansas -- 84.0
23. Michigan -- 83.8
24. New Hampshire -- 83.7
25. Tennessee -- 83.4
26. Maine -- 83.2
27. Arkansas -- 83.1
27. South Carolina -- 83.1
29. Georgia -- 82.9
29. New Mexico -- 82.9
31. Oklahoma -- 82.8
32. Texas -- 82.7
33. Utah -- 82.6
33. Arizona -- 82.6
35. Mississippi -- 82.5
35. Delaware -- 82.5
35. Kentucky -- 82.5
38. Pennsylvania -- 82.1
39. Louisiana -- 81.7
40. Illinois -- 81.6
41. Florida -- 81.1
42. Connecticut -- 80.9
43. California -- 80.4
44. Maryland -- 79.8
44. Washington, D.C, -- 79.8
44. New York -- 79.8
47. New Jersey -- 78.3
48. Massachusetts -- 77.2
49. Rhode Island -- 77.0
Anyone agree with the rankings?
Patrick
'93 Cobra
Rod Williams
2005-05-29 16:32:29 UTC
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Just go out on the road on any given day and you will see that half of
these people shouldn't be driving. Don't need a test to prove it.
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